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Hello all. We have some upcoming changes for the FLO content policy. In general, we are trying to minimize the amount of text needed on the CUP page, as well as to clarify certain areas of the content policy. This new policy will be going into effect in one month, on December 7, 2020.

 

Content Upload Policy - FLO Revision 1.1.0

The Content Upload Policy (CUP) generally lays out what types of content are or are not permitted to be uploaded to FLO. While we do our best to clarify the terms listed below, please note that if a moderator asks you to discontinue an activity, please respect that decision. Continued activity of the same nature may result in temporary or permanent restrictions on your account.

  1. All Content
    • The following content is strictly prohibited in all areas of the site.
      • Content which promotes, glorifies, encourages, or in any way puts forth in a positive light, and includes but is not limited to: terrorism; illegal acts; hate speech; hate groups (such as the KKK, Nazism, Fascism, Authoritarianism, the Alt-Right, Q-Anon, All Lives Matter, Back the Blue, Kekistan, etc.); harm or abuse to minors, animals, or adults (including nsfw "cub" art);  spam or deceptive media; harassment; or human trafficking.
      • Content where the purpose is to defame, harass, stalk, or threaten others.
      • Content which contains hateful or insulting rhetoric towards any race, religion, sexual orientation, gender, or disability.
      • Content which violates the law, provides instructions on how to do so, or discusses illegal activities with the intent to commit them.
      • Content which discloses another user's personally identifiable information (PII), aka "doxing".
      • Content which contains hate or insults towards other users and/or their content.
      • Content which solely depicts real-life animals in explicit or pornographic material in which the sole purpose of the content is sexual arousal.
      • Content which depicts character(s) that are either canonically under 18, described to be under 18, or acts as a child or infant placeholder (or the equivalent age of maturity in any non-human species) where the sole purpose of the content is sexual arousal.
    • Postings which contain these types of content will be immediately removed, followed by a warning or suspension, depending on intent, maliciousness, and severity, at the moderator's discretion.
  2. Content Tagging
    • FLO uses a system of content tagging which allows users to ignore content tags. Ignored content tags will not display any content containing those tags. Because of this, content must be properly tagged. Proper tagging includes, but is not limited to:
      • In Forums:
        • Thread Theme
      • In Media:
        • Species
        • Gender/Sex
        • Theme
        • Character(s) depicted
      • In Groups:
        • Group Type
        • Group Location (If location based)
      • In Literature:
        • Theme
        • Language
      • In Articles:
        • Theme
        • Language
    • Content depicting the following must be tagged at all times:
      • AgePlay: Content depicting characters of (presenting) legal age, dressed or acting in infantile fashions.
      • BDSM: Content depicting any bondage, dominant/submissive pairings, and/or sado-masochism.
      • CGL: Content which depicts characters (of legal age) engaged in a pairing in which one partner functions as a parental figure and the other partner functions as an infantile or child-like figure, also known as Caregiver/Little.
      • Diaper: Content depicting any character in a diaper.
      • Farting: Content which depicts characters having and/or with flatulence. This includes content such as skunk spray and content analogous to such.
      • Gore: Content with depictions of injuries greater than superficial, as well as viscera, excessive blood, bodily mutilation, surgery, physically traumatic death, etc.
      • Hyper: Content that depicts abnormally enlarged body proportions of any variety that would normally be impossible.
      • Hypno: Content which depicts hypnosis, mind control, or other fantastical means of controlling or influencing another person.
      • Incest: Content which depicts family members engaging in explicit or pornographic activity together. Please reference section 4 of the CUP for this content type.
      • Inflation: Content that depicts a character being inflated to an unnatural or significant size through any number of various means, including but not limited to: air pump, cum, food, liquids, or any other means.
      • Rape: Content that depicts forced explicit or pornographic situations. Please reference section 4 of the CUP for this content type.
      • Macro and Micro: Content that depicts characters of an unnaturally or impossibly sized nature.
      • Scat: Content which depicts characters interacting in any way with solid bodily waste.
      • Vore: All vore, including soft or hard, should be marked with the Vore tag. Content which depicts activities involving characters consuming or absorbing others by various methods.
      • Watersports: Content which depicts characters interacting in any way with urine.
    • While these tags are required, in general it is best to add any tags that are relevant to content posted. Submissions which are improperly or incorrectly tagged may be flagged by a moderator. Continued failure to tag content appropriately may result in posting limitations or suspensions of certain features for your account.
  3. Content Categories
    • FLO uses a system that provides the following categories of content:
      • General Content
        • Content may contain expletives; however language which focuses or is derived from sexual themes or content (intercourse, by-products thereof, genitalia, etc.) should go in either the Mature or Adult category.
        • Depictions of mild violence are permitted so long as the focus of the submitted work is not on blood and/or injuries. Imagery and depictions of injuries that may be disturbing to some users, such as in horror or fantasy contexts (e.g. mild body horror, anomalous body forms, etc.), are permitted.
          • Content submitted that contains gore, extreme realism, and/or violence which is sexual in either an explicit or inferred nature, should go in either the Mature or Adult category.
        • Submitted works may contain nudity of a non-graphic nature. Nudity of a graphic nature in this context refers to depictions of, but not limited to: genitalia, sheaths, bulges, camel-toes, genital slits, detailed anuses, etc.
          • Depictions of nipples of any gender should go into the Mature category. While we at FLO do not consider the nipples a sexualized body part, society as a whole has yet to catch up. This is to ensure those who browse purely in the Safe For Work mode in the most literal sense may enjoy our site as well.
          • The presence of clothing does not automatically make the content appropriate for a General rating. Depictions of the outlines of genitalia, or bulges of an inferred sexual nature should go in either the Mature or Adult category.
        • Depictions of drugs and drug use (including alcohol and tobacco) in submitted works and media are permitted, albeit on a limited basis. Instances of drug use should be kept mild or implied.
          • Depictions of street-manufactured drugs and their use (which include but are not limited to: crystal meth, cocaine, heroin, etc.) should go in either the Mature or Adult category.
        • Depictions of sexual fluids and bodily waste are not permitted in General, and should go in either the Mature or Adult category.
      • Mature Content
        • Content  may contain expletives, including language which focuses or is derived from sexual themes or content (intercourse, by-products thereof, genitalia, etc.); however expletives still cannot be used in a directly sexual context.
          • Descriptions that include explicit or graphic themes, including but not limited to, of sexual, fetishistic, or other such themes should go in the Adult category.
        • Depictions of violence (e.g. fights with superficial injuries, roughhousing, bloodied knuckles, etc.) and injuries are permitted so long as the violence and injuries depicted are not severe (e.g. fatal wounding, injuries leading to disfigurement or maiming, etc.).
          • Content submitted that contains gore, extreme realism, and/or violence which is sexual in either an explicit or inferred nature should go in the Adult category.
        • Media may contain full nudity including but not limited to, fully exposed/exaggerated outlines of  genitalia, sheathes, or bulges.
          • Depictions of full erections or arousal, sexual acts and fluids, or the use of sexual toys, should go in the Adult category.
        • Depictions of drugs and drug use in media are permitted on a non-limited basis, including substances such as: alcohol, tobacco, marijuana, hallucinogens, pharmaceutical drugs, etc.
          • Depictions of street-manufactured drugs and their use (which include but are not limited to: crystal meth, cocaine, heroin, etc.) should go in the Adult category.
        • Depictions of sexual fluids and bodily waste should go in the Adult category.
      • Adult Content
        • Media may contain any number of expletives, including in a directly sexual context.
        • Media may contain scenes of intense and/or graphic violence, and subjects that might be considered alarming or upsetting to some users, including but not limited to: mutilation, dismemberment, physical torture, etc.
        • Depictions of explicit nudity in media are permitted.
        • Depictions of sexual activity in media are permitted.
        • Depictions of drugs and drug use in media are permitted (e.g. and including but not limited to: crystal meth, cocaine, heroin, etc.), including street-manufactured drugs.
        • Depictions of sexual fluids and bodily waste are permitted.
      • We understand that Fetish and Kink content make up a large portion of the content submitted to the site. In order to help users determine where content belongs in the rating system, here are some guidelines to follow:
        • While fetishes and kinks may not always be inherently sexual, due to the nature of their content, both explicit and non explicit depictions of fetishes may not be posted under the General rating.
        • If the submitted work contains content previously mentioned in the content ratings (e.g. an erect penis, nudity, etc.), the aforementioned rating criteria shall take precedence when deciding content rating.
        • If the submitted work contains content pertaining to fetishes of an inferred sexual nature (e.g. a chastity cage, latex hood, feeder hoses/stuffing funnels, etc.), the content should at least be rated Mature.
        • If action is occurring in and/or between the character(s) depicted, and said (inter)action can be inferred to be of an inherently sexual nature (e.g. touching and related actions, fighting, stepping on, etc.) it should be rated as Adult.
  4. Sensitive Content
    • Rape and Incest are prohibited on FLO.
      • However, we understand there are survivors who use Consensual Non-Consensual situations (CNC) and media to help with their related trauma, and we will not take this avenue of recovery away from them. As one would do when participating in such roleplay; clear context, backstory and conversation should be provided through writing or as a comic and done so with care. 
      • While we understand that there will be topics and media which discuss and depict sensitive subjects, we ask that, to the best of your ability, such topics or depictions have a content warning. In general, be considerate of other users when creating this type of content. This means that tagging such content is essential, due to the ability of other users to block tags. This boils down to being mindful of the potential of harm a piece of media or a certain topic brings, and doing your best to mitigate such harm.
  5. Adult Content
    • Accessing Adult Content
      • Adult content may only be accessed by those over the age of 18. If you are under the age of 18, you may not use FLO to offer, request, or share adult content. You may not use FLO to offer or request adult content from users who you are aware are under the age of 18. Users under the age of 18 who are found using a false birthday may have their accounts terminated with or without warning. If you have set your birthday in error, no penalty will be given if you file a support ticket yourself, requesting a change to your date of birth.
      • Adult content may be accessed by using the opt-in system available in your account Preferences area. Two settings, Mature and Adult, will enable their respective content areas.
    • Mature and Adult Content of Underage Characters
      • As stated above, FLO does not host pornographic content of characters under the age of 18. This means that any character who is canonically under 18, described as under 18, or acts as a child or infant placeholder (or species equivalent) may not be depicted in mature or adult content.
      • This covers any content in which a reasonable person would believe the content was created for the sole purpose of sexual gratification. This includes offering pornographic content depicting loli, shota, or cub, services and off-site content offering this content, or making underage characters available for sexual roleplay.
      • Users found posting this content will have their account closed to prevent the distribution of this content. We ask that, rather than try to evade this rule, you seek an alternate community for your work. This content has no place on FLO.
    • Mature and Adult Content of Real Life Animals
      • Content which depicts real life animals as they appear in the real world may not be explicit or pornographic in nature.
  6. Content, Fursona, and Original Character Usage and Ownership
    • Content Ownership
      • Any content which the user did not create should be properly attributed to the content creator who created it.
      • Content which you did not create, commission, or have made for you will be removed. Users found to have been posting content which does not belong to them may have their account suspended or closed.
    • Fursona and Original Character Ownership
      • All characters should be credited to their owners at the time of upload. Users found to have images or albums in which the majority of submissions are not credited or miscredited will have their uploads frozen until such a time as the characters are credited.
      • In cases where the ownership of a character is disputed, we will require evidence of character ownership from the involved parties. This may include, but is not limited to: emails, online chats, paypal or other online payment records, or other evidence as needed. Users found posting characters which do not belong to them may have their accounts suspended or closed.
  7. Media Ownership and Sourcing
    • Media Ownership
      • Media is considered owned by a user when that user created, commissioned, or had made or gifted the media item. This means that both the creator and the buyer are entitled to ownership of that piece. Both parties, the artist and the user who commissioned, made, or gifted, may post this media.
      • For the most part, FLO will side with the content creator when disputes arise. This means that a moderator would act, for instance, where a commissioner purchased a piece, received a hi-def and low-def version, and was only given permission to post the low-def version, and posts the hi-def.
      • When using free or paid bases, credit should be given to the content creator who created the base.
      • FLO does not permit the use of stolen fanart or artwork belonging to other users. This includes tracing from other content creator's artwork.
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Hello all. We have some upcoming changes for the FLO content policy. In general, we are trying to minimize the amount of text needed on the CUP page, as well as to clarify certain areas of the content

Lord, I read this back to front a million times and never caught this. That'll be added.

Yes, you are correct! We’re taking ‘NSFW’ pretty literally. While none of us on staff actually find nipples mature or sexual inherently, if you were to pull up an image of a shirtless woman at work, i

Is the expectation with this CUP that all previous rulings still apply under it, just with less wording involved? Aka, we should expect no changes to acceptable content, allowed or forbidden, before and after?

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Is there any way incest and non-con can be added to the "must tag" list? I want to think it used to be there, but I don't know how to view any past versions of the CUP. These are things that people must absolutely be able to blacklist at all times.

 

I'm a little concerned with how creators will be asked to provide context regarding those two subjects, though. Especially considering that trauma might already be involved in someone's depiction of this content, why ask them to go into further detail than what they're already expressing? That's upsetting.

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1 hour ago, wolftacos said:

Is there any way incest and non-con can be added to the "must tag" list? I want to think it used to be there, but I don't know how to view any past versions of the CUP. These are things that people must absolutely be able to blacklist at all times.

 

I'm a little concerned with how creators will be asked to provide context regarding those two subjects, though. Especially considering that trauma might already be involved in someone's depiction of this content, why ask them to go into further detail than what they're already expressing? That's upsetting.

Seconding this. If we are gonna allow the non-con and incest it absolutely MUST be tagged. No if’s, ands, or buts. I can understand the wanting some context part, but also agree that for some that could be upsetting? Some people just want to vent through art with out having to go into detail of the experience, but I also can see how that might be abused. Not sure how you wanna handle that bit. I’m behind what ever you decide to do with that portion of the CUP as there really is no prefect everyone is happy answer for that. BUT will emphasize again and emphatically that it all be tagged properly. Non-con/rape and incest can be very upsetting for a lot of people so I would prefer there be a very strong stance on it being properly tagged and there being repercussions for repeat non-tagging offenders.  

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1 hour ago, wolftacos said:

Is there any way incest and non-con can be added to the "must tag" list? I want to think it used to be there, but I don't know how to view any past versions of the CUP. These are things that people must absolutely be able to blacklist at all times.

 

I'm a little concerned with how creators will be asked to provide context regarding those two subjects, though. Especially considering that trauma might already be involved in someone's depiction of this content, why ask them to go into further detail than what they're already expressing? That's upsetting.

Yeah I think its really... bizarre that drawing a building sized Falco or a character wearing a diaper is consider intensely graphic but rape art and art depicting abusive family dynamics, two things that can terrible fuck people up mentally, are to be tagged only if people want to do so ._.;

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1 hour ago, FamiliarAlien said:

Yeah I think its really... bizarre that drawing a building sized Falco or a character wearing a diaper is consider intensely graphic but rape art and art depicting abusive family dynamics, two things that can terrible fuck people up mentally, are to be tagged only if people want to do so ._.;

Lord, I read this back to front a million times and never caught this. That'll be added.

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I am rather disheartened that we had to ask repeatedly, through various forum threads then, again here in the CUP update for incest and Non-Con ( AKA full on fucking rape ) to be at least require auto tagging while you have been clamping down on even the tamest expression of the vaguely fetish from day one.

18 hours ago, Shagoli said:

Lord, I read this back to front a million times and never caught this. That'll be added.

A million times back to front and not once in those million times did you consider that rape is worse than; consenting partners feeding each other a whole pizza, any depiction of a macro sized character no matter how tame or wholesome, and determine that it requires Auto-tagging so it can be filtered out?

This attitude of "God forbid someone see some extra fatness, tag it as if your account depends on it" while going "we never thought non-con was worth mentioning until now" really does not inspire confidence.

well it is good we are going to get non-con required tagging at least, finally.

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Yeahhhh really not a nice look when it takes you a million rereads and several people asking over a period of time that having your day ruined because you saw untagged rape porn and got triggered, might be way way worse than a giant Fox McCloud.... 

 

Also, for those super confused about the Provide Context part. maybe provide context means something as simple as going into the description and saying “Hey this is rape.” Or “Hey this is incest.” 

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1 hour ago, BPStuart said:

I am rather disheartened that we had to ask repeatedly, through various forum threads then, again here in the CUP update for incest and Non-Con ( AKA full on fucking rape ) to be at least require auto tagging while you have been clamping down on even the tamest expression of the vaguely fetish from day one.

A million times back to front and not once in those million times did you consider that rape is worse than; consenting partners feeding each other a whole pizza, any depiction of a macro sized character no matter how tame or wholesome, and determine that it requires Auto-tagging so it can be filtered out?

This attitude of "God forbid someone see some extra fatness, tag it as if your account depends on it" while going "we never thought non-con was worth mentioning until now" really does not inspire confidence.

well it is good we are going to get non-con required tagging at least, finally.

That is not what happened. It wasn’t a thing of they didn’t think it was worth tagging. It’s called that when you stare at something too long your brain inserts things that aren’t there. Especially if you have ADD or are otherwise Nurodivergent. The CUP already required you to tag non-con and incest so of course they wouldn’t think something that was already apart of the cup would be missing from the new one.

For someone who brought up all the threads, you must not have actually read them because then you would already know how vocal the staff have been about the subject. So quick to to tear people down. Damn.

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1 hour ago, Stegladon said:

Also, for those super confused about the Provide Context part. maybe provide context means something as simple as going into the description and saying “Hey this is rape.” Or “Hey this is incest.” 

 

Blacklisting the term (now that it has been verified they are to be on the "must tag" list) would do this without needing to put it in the description. I'm concerned about asking people to provide context based on this quote:

"... provide context behind the scene such as a backstory through writing, or as a comic..."

 

Which seems to ask creators "hey, if you make this content, please go into further detail about why by writing a story or drawing something to explain it" which gets more and more scary to me the more I think about it. If a creator is already making content to deal with trauma, I don't see anything good coming out of asking them to create more content to explain why they made the first content.

 

Can staff please weigh in and explain in more detail what this means? I could be totally misunderstanding it.

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Hey guys! When we asked for creators to "go into detail/provide context" it was for consensual non-con which was brought up multiple times while we worked on figuring out how to implement this. If it is a piece that is meant to portray non-con as a healing method and both partners consent/it is simply role-play, then it should be shown that the parties DO consent. In any case, it MUST be tagged. We are not asking survivors to relive their trauma, but rather saying that if you want this content, please show us that it is consensual in your piece via a story or comic. If we can't discern the context around it, it will be removed.

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I don't feel like your answer is really clarifying the matter.

Can a survivor of trauma using art as a method to heal simply write 'Healing art' or 'trauma-related art' as a description, or do they have to go into details and write their life story, which can be quite traumatic too?

What about art that does not have a long backstory behind it? We all have pictures that have little to no backstory, either because they are a YCH or because it was a spur of the moment idea that got drawn because we liked the situation/pose/etc?

And what do you consider a story, how long must it be to become a story? Is one paragraph enough? One page?

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54 minutes ago, Tamara said:

Can a survivor of trauma using art as a method to heal simply write 'Healing art' or 'trauma-related art' as a description, or do they have to go into details and write their life story, which can be quite traumatic too?

no? in what situation would this be applicable? if someones doing a vent piece with like allegorical or metaphorical depictions of rape, then thats different, but if theyre just posting straight up rape porn, thats not allowed.

54 minutes ago, Tamara said:

What about art that does not have a long backstory behind it? We all have pictures that have little to no backstory, either because they are a YCH or because it was a spur of the moment idea that got drawn because we liked the situation/pose/etc?

again, in what situation would this be applicable? if the ych is completely indistinguishable from just a normal piece of rape art, then again, not allowed. 

54 minutes ago, Tamara said:

And what do you consider a story, how long must it be to become a story? Is one paragraph enough? One page?

a story is...a story. as in a piece of writing posted to the literature section of the website, with some sort of plot and characters. a story is not a paragraph. its a case by case basis sort of thing when it comes to the pure length of the writing.

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If I read this last response right, this means that non-con and incest itself for the sake of non-con and incest is now banned, correct?

 

I'd also like to mention that the responses in the last message are still confusing to me personally. I feel like my brain is being extremely dense, but could there be an example about what a person needs to write/draw? It still sounds like someone has to explain their trauma.

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28 minutes ago, Zythyx said:

no? in what situation would this be applicable? if someones doing a vent piece with like allegorical or metaphorical depictions of rape, then thats different, but if theyre just posting straight up rape porn, thats not allowed.

again, in what situation would this be applicable? if the ych is completely indistinguishable from just a normal piece of rape art, then again, not allowed. 

a story is...a story. as in a piece of writing posted to the literature section of the website, with some sort of plot and characters. a story is not a paragraph. its a case by case basis sort of thing when it comes to the pure length of the writing.

I feel like your responses are condescending. And you’re still not really explaining it very clearly. Some of us need very clear, very specific examples of what you’re asking for and you a being very flippant about it. Some of us have a hard time understanding exactly what it is that is required of us (In any sense, not just this specific subject matter) and the way you are wording things comes off “why you so dumb?” I’ve executive dysfunction issues and need clear instructions, but others and myself shouldn’t have give you my medical/mental history to get some common courtesy. I would rather the stuff be outright banned if this is how the content is going to be handled by staff. 
 

I think what is trying to be explained is that writing out our trauma to appease your whims is more traumatizing and defeats the purpose of the healing aspect of the art. If your outlook on that is “too bad, I need a detailed “story” of your trauma and I get to decide what counts as a “story” then just ban the art. Especially since a scene is literally sometimes just that, a scene. Sometimes it literally is just “here’s the safe word, use it if we need to stop” and that’s it. Not everything is some huge massive story or production. E for effort for trying to make a space for victims like myself for this type of art, but really with how it’s set up (and frankly if someone with your attitude is in charge of what is and isn’t ok) then stop trying. You can’t give a clear answer with out being condescending so just ban it. I have enough trauma with out someone being a jerk to me about it. 
 

I get some staff wish to make a safe space for some of us to vent here while also trying to protect other victims and appease the masses. However, sometimes you can’t please everyone. Thanks for the effort, but if this “story” aspect is the caveat that is required on top of required tagging, then don’t. You’re not helping us, you’re causing us more harm. Like with my learning disabilities, I shouldn’t have to justify my trauma to you. I very VERY rarely post this kind of art, so it doesn’t really effect me, but it’s still upsetting. I would feel unsafe posting it here. I’d rather creeps use my vent art for fap material then have to put my trauma on parade only for someone like you to say it’s not good enough. 

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15 minutes ago, RyuuYouki said:

I feel like your responses are condescending. And you’re still not really explaining it very clearly. Some of us need very clear, very specific examples of what you’re asking for and you a being very flippant about it. Some of us have a hard time understanding exactly what it is that is required of us (In any sense, not just this specific subject matter) and the way you are wording things comes off “why you so dumb?” I’ve executive dysfunction issues and need clear instructions, but others and myself shouldn’t have give you my medical/mental history to get some common courtesy. I would rather the stuff be outright banned if this is how the content is going to be handled by staff. 

for one, im not trying to be condescending. i have autism and this is just the way i talk, and it can come out as overly dry/annoyed when i dont really feel that way, so im sorry about that, thats my bad. 

15 minutes ago, RyuuYouki said:

I think what is trying to be explained is that writing out our trauma to appease your whims is more traumatizing and defeats the purpose of the healing aspect of the art. If your outlook on that is “too bad, I need a detailed “story” of your trauma and I get to decide what counts as a “story” then just ban the art. Especially since a scene is literally sometimes just that, a scene. Sometimes it literally is just “here’s the safe word, use it if we need to stop” and that’s it. Not everything is some huge massive story or production. E for effort for trying to make a space for victims like myself for this type of art, but really with how it’s set up (and frankly if someone with your attitude is in charge of what is and isn’t ok) then stop trying. You can’t give a clear answer with out being condescending so just ban it. I have enough trauma with out someone being a jerk to me about it. 

no one is asking ANYONE to write out all of their trauma. im honestly confused as to where this idea is coming from. by story, we mean, a writing. a literal story, fanfiction, personal fiction, whatever you please. im not asking anyone to “appease my whims” just laying out the criteria for noncon content in a media that isnt visual, which a lot of folks use the site for. no one is being asked to talk about their personal traumas. 

 

15 minutes ago, RyuuYouki said:

I get some staff wish to make a safe space for some of us to vent here while also trying to protect other victims and appease the masses. However, sometimes you can’t please everyone. Thanks for the effort, but if this “story” aspect is the caveat that is required on top of required tagging, then don’t. You’re not helping us, you’re causing us more harm. Like with my learning disabilities, I shouldn’t have to justify my trauma to you. I very VERY rarely post this kind of art, so it doesn’t really effect me, but it’s still upsetting. I would feel unsafe posting it here. I’d rather creeps use my vent art for fap material then have to put my trauma on parade only for someone like you to say it’s not good enough. 

again, not asking you to expose your traumas. a ‘story’ is just writing. thats it. for visual medias, we require context within said image. this can be the set up of a scene, discussion of a safe word, or what have you. again, if the physical image is indistinguishable from just rape porn, then its not allowed. the ‘someone like you’ comment seems a bit strange considering i also have trauma and therefore wouldnt be asking anyone to divulge this random info to me because not only would it be triggering to most of us on staff, but we never asked for that.

i dont mean to be condescending, again, i just dont understand where this idea that we’re asking folks to give us their traumas for us to judge comes from since none of us on staff want or ever talked about that.

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30 minutes ago, Zythyx said:

for one, im not trying to be condescending. i have autism and this is just the way i talk, and it can come out as overly dry/annoyed when i dont really feel that way, so im sorry about that, thats my bad. 

no one is asking ANYONE to write out all of their trauma. im honestly confused as to where this idea is coming from. by story, we mean, a writing. a literal story, fanfiction, personal fiction, whatever you please. im not asking anyone to “appease my whims” just laying out the criteria for noncon content in a media that isnt visual, which a lot of folks use the site for. no one is being asked to talk about their personal traumas. 

 

again, not asking you to expose your traumas. a ‘story’ is just writing. thats it. for visual medias, we require context within said image. this can be the set up of a scene, discussion of a safe word, or what have you. again, if the physical image is indistinguishable from just rape porn, then its not allowed. the ‘someone like you’ comment seems a bit strange considering i also have trauma and therefore wouldnt be asking anyone to divulge this random info to me because not only would it be triggering to most of us on staff, but we never asked for that.

i dont mean to be condescending, again, i just dont understand where this idea that we’re asking folks to give us their traumas for us to judge comes from since none of us on staff want or ever talked about that.

You specifically said “a story, not a paragraph”. Short of explaining my trauma, how much writing do you think it takes to right out “scene between two consenting adults, safeword banana”. So which is it? I only need to write my scene set up and safe word, or do I need some elaborate story? This is where y’all aren’t making sense. This is where we are getting you are requiring our trauma. Because honestly? That’s all the story there is to the piece for some. Especially if it’s visual art. 
 

The point of the art is for us to experience a moment of power dynamics on OUR terms. YES, we are still the “victim” but it’s on OUR say so. We can tell them to stop (via safeword) when ever we want. It’s a way for us to take back our power over a moment of being powerless. 
 

When ever I draw these things, that’s all it is. A scene with a safeword. A scene where, in spite of the position myself or the character is in, WE actually hold all the power for once. We decide if and when it stops, not the “abuser” in the scene. What “story” is there to tell outside my own personal one that I’m trying to reclaim and that is none of your business.

 

Not only that, the scene and safeword would always be the same (consistent safe words are important) so would that be a factor? Would I have to make up some new scene and safe word for every single post (which is still unclear on which passes your “good enough” test or not) or would a copy and past from a previous post be acceptable. 
 

edit: for what I mean by “someone like you” I mean someone who comes in talking down to me and is unclear what exactly is expected. I am bipolar and have BPD, but I am still responsible for my actions. They are not an excuse or a get out of jail free card. You are responsible for how you speak about a subject or how you handle a situation. If you’re going to talk to victims and tell them what they did isn’t good enough for the CUP you should be expected to do it with tack and kindness (honestly that should be for anyone but that’s besides the point) You’re staff and thus should be held to a higher standard. You can’t “get annoyed” and talk down to people. Especially on subjects like this. 
 

edit 2: I realize we should have been making note that we are specifically talking about it visual art. I think that is what is getting lost in translation a bit. 

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    Content which promotes, glorifies, encourages, or in any way puts forth in a positive light, and includes but is not limited to: [...] harm or abuse to [...] adults.

    wouldn't this preclude rape and gore porn from being allowed on the website at all?

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32 minutes ago, RyuuYouki said:

You specifically said “a story, not a paragraph”. Short of explaining my trauma, how much writing do you think it takes to right out “scene between two consenting adults, safeword banana”. So which is it? I only need to write my scene set up and safe word, or do I need some elaborate story?

Tamara asked what length constitutes as a story. i told them a story, writing, a piece of fiction, what have you, is generally more than a paragraph. if youre writing something with a CNC scene and you decide to set it up in the way you just described, yep, thats fine. 

36 minutes ago, RyuuYouki said:

When ever I draw these things, that’s all it is. A scene with a safeword. A scene where, in spite of the position myself or the character is in, WE actually hold all the power for once. We decide if and when it stops, not the “abuser” in the scene. What “story” is there to tell outside my own personal one that I’m trying to reclaim and that is none of your business.

and thats your right. but what you make doesnt exist in a vacuum, and again, if you post something that is no different than a fetishizing rape piece, it will be removed. thats basically what the gist of the rule is. 

 

38 minutes ago, RyuuYouki said:

am bipolar and have BPD, but I am still responsible for my actions. They are not an excuse or a get out of jail free card. You are responsible for how you speak about a subject or how you handle a situation. If you’re going to talk to victims and tell them what they did isn’t good enough for the CUP you should be expected to do it with tack and kindness (honestly that should be for anyone but that’s besides the point) You’re staff and thus should be held to a higher standard. You can’t “get annoyed” and talk down to people. Especially on subjects like this. 

i did not use it as such. i used it as an explanation, just like you did with your learning disabilities and how they effect your ability to understand the current wording of the rule. i also have not spoken to any victims about something ‘not being good enough for the CUP’ nor did i ever say i was annoyed. i did say my tone can come off as annoyed and or dry when im trying to be serious regardless off how i feel about the subject. i mentioned autism specifically because its a social disability and thus effects how i interact/come off socially with folks

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1 minute ago, goaty said:
  • wouldn't this preclude rape and gore porn from being allowed on the website at all?

rape isnt allowed. though gore is a biiiit more tricky bc of the multitudes of different ways its drawn(candy gore, body horror, basic horror art. hell, even warrior cats, the book for children, has some pretty gory parts) and all of them are considered mature due to said gore. noncon in general isnt allowed. if its consensual gore/an image with a solo character and sexual imagery, then thats fine if its tagged correctly

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5 minutes ago, Zythyx said:

if its consensual gore/an image with a solo character and sexual imagery, then thats fine if its tagged correctly

how does that not "promote, glorify, encourage, or in any way put forth in a positive light, and include harm to adults?" as it's written, this wording precludes gore from being allowed on the website

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4 minutes ago, goaty said:

how does that not "promote, glorify, encourage, or in any way put forth in a positive light, and include harm to adults?" as it's written, this wording precludes gore from being allowed on the website

you could ask that about BDSM, vore, or any other multitude of concepts. maybe we should find a way to reword this better, but as it stands, if its consensual, it can stay. "includes harm to adults" is specifically referencing abuse. 

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I've been under the impression that non-con and incest (on it's own, not with the exception of dealing with trauma) was ok to post on here. If it is true that non-con and incest is indeed banned (with the exception of dealing with trauma) I think it needs to be clearly worded, because I was unable to understand this by reading this post and any of the updates in this thread except where it says it is not allowed.

 

Still worried about what will be required in acceptable pieces. I am seriously not understanding it at all as it has been explained so far. I'm sorry I am so obtuse, but I sincerely don't know.

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I'm unsure what the difference between "normal rape porn" and "healing rape art" is? It all falls under rape and c/noncon media with or without the disclaimer that there's a safe word/consent behind the piece, it sounds like it's going to be up to staff to decide what's "normal/fetishized rape porn" or not even if the media has been appropriately tagged and includes a disclaimer that the fictional characters have consented. I can understand the difference between vent/dark/horror art that depicts rape and erotic cnc/rape, but after reading the comments I really don't know which of these two things would be acceptable to post as one Doesn't fetishize it, and the other is (implied)CNC that does fetishize it?

And is tagging force/nc/rape/etc going to be applied to other fetishes that imply (c)noncon/force or is it to be used strictly for media depicting explicit CNC/Rape? For example drug use, in sexual media depicting multiple characters under the influence, will it be required to have the same disclaimer that all characters involved agreed to intercourse before going under the influence and would the same be applied to content like hypno/vore/bdsm/etc where it may be more grey or otherwise expected that these fictional characters want to be in those scenes despite the (visual) implication they don't want to participate?

As wolf said, from the CUP it seems like noncon is acceptable on its own, not with exceptions, and there's not a clear idea of how those exceptions will be verified on the staffs end.

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