"Decent people" Really now? After all trump did this year? Fueling further hate attacks, separating parents from their children? You can't see somebody supporting Trump when that's pretty well known knowledge and still claim "decent people". You don't get it, sometimes the only way people learn are through consequences, the feeling that nobody is supporting you, that everybody is against you or telling you your wrong. If they suffer no consequences or people telling them they're wrong, what motivation do they have to change? They'll just keep spreading their bigotry, that's why the idea of being nice to them is garbage, that doesn't get them motivation to change, just will make them think they did nothing wrongYou two seem to forget one thing: from their point of view, they are decent people and they did the right thing to protect their vision of the country. To protect the civilization, their children, their jobs, their religion or whatever other reason they use. Thus, in their opinion, they have nothing to atone for and what they did wasn't a mistake but a decision they took for the good of the USA.
The most rabid and extreme supporters of Trump and the GOP in general view the 'other side' in pretty much the same way you view them : as people hell bent on destroying everything they hold dear, spouting liberal garbage and waving strange flags during 'those disgusting pride parades where people prance around the streets naked and showing off their deviant sexuality'.
They don't see you as decent people, and hurling abuse towards them will only reinforce their beliefs that the 'other side' is bad and needs to be reined in, taken out of the public place, hidden and 'healed' of their deviant ideas if possible.
Also, it seems that quite a sizeable number of people who voted for Trump cast their votes primarily due to his economic promises, and didn't gave much thought about the policies that would impact other people, nor did they really believe that he would do some of the things he said or that he did them, as they believe that the media in general conflated things to make huge story for the news. I don't think that the coal miners who voted for him because he promised to bring coal back were also clapping their hands and nodding their heads in agreement when he announced that transgender were barred from serving in the army. They probably did not gave it much thought because they were focused on his promise to get their industry to restart.
Besides, I don't think anyone is ever 100% in agreement with every policies set by whatever politician we are voting with. Not you, not me, not anyone. Not everyone who voted for Biden is 100% in agreement with everything he said he would do, but they voted for him because he was the best candidate when compared to the alternative. It's the same for many people who voted for Trump: not everyone who voted for him is 100% in agreement with everything he said or did, but they voted for him because they found Hillary or Biden to be less deserving of becoming President. There seems to be many people afraid that Biden and the Dems will bring 'socialism' to the country, which is bad, thus they voted for Trump, even if they do not like the character and many of the things he says, and their idea of what 'socialism' is can be quite vague; but socialism is the absolute Bad Thing that can happen to the country, thus they have to vote against the socialist Biden and Dems.
You can hate them because they enabled this otherworldly presidency we just lived through, but remember that they aren't a coherent block, they aren't a united front or an army united behind their dear leader, as much as the Dems aren't united, or the LGBT+ community, or the furries, or most any group for that matter. Not everyone follows for the same reason, not everyone agrees on the same thing, and not everyone also has the same priorities in the same order.
I agree, but I'd like to point out that "conservative economics" is just racism in a suit and tie.just saying, if you agree with the concepts of building a wall to keep brown people out, or that being lgbt is wrong, or that the black people fighting for their rights against police are just violent thugs, youve pretty much already decided that your humanity towards your fellow man doesnt extend towards minorities. there are republicans who just prefer conservative economics and in that case there is a chance to reach out, but once someone dives into racism it is THEIR responsibility to wake up and learn that hating people for being born is wrong. to allow them spaces or platforms is to directly put people in danger.
theres a difference between misguided and just outright conforming to views that fit one’s racist ideals that were already in place culturally. many if not all racial minorities have degrees of antiblackness in their culture. when republican talking heads insult black folks and our protests, said minorities may be being spoonfed false info, but it directly fuels into antiblackness that ALREADY is in their heads. the issue with republicans in general is that everything they do is for a bigoted reason, and they describe it as such without even trying to hide it. i find it difficult to feel sympathy for someone who can hear what trump has said about white supremacists, about immigrants, about black folks, and be okay with that in any capacity no matter how they spin it. this isnt only for white people, as there are plenty of POC who think “well, im one of the good ones! not like those thugs!”That there are minorities who are not racist, sexist, homophobic, etc but are simply misguided due to uneducation or lack of resources. And what in trying to say is it's not right to shame them for that.
i feel like the number of republicans who vote purely on economic policy are countable on one hand and literally all of them are also terrible people, just not "deport the minorities" terrible people, lmaothere are republicans who just prefer conservative economics and in that case there is a chance to reach out, but once someone dives into racism it is THEIR responsibility to wake up and learn that hating people for being born is wrong.
I fully acknowledge the unfortunate racism in my community. And I do my part to educate older Latinos when I can.this is coming from the experience of a black person. being black, you really do realize antiblackness exists in every race. many other POC would rather side with their oppressors than us because of how we’re seen as lesser. i find it unlikely anyone can be not racist and then support our current republican party. they are one in the same at this point.
oh no, you are definitely correct. like merv said above; conservative economics is just racism with a suit and tie.i feel like the number of republicans who vote purely on economic policy are countable on one hand and literally all of them are also terrible people, just not "deport the minorities" terrible people, lmao
this is fair. if you wanna do that, thats your right. im just saying, in order to think republican media is viable in anyway, there’s probably some cultural bigotry that you must unlearn first. i was drowned in republican media as a kid growing up in the deep south, yet i understood that war in the middle east made no sense and that republicans were consistently racist because my black family has always been on the brunt of their attacks.I fully acknowledge the unfortunate racism in my community. And I do my part to educate older Latinos when I can.
I still think fundamentally I'd rather educate than fling mud. But everyone has a right to be angry I just direct it into efforts that further a cause
There's a reason I flat out ignore-listed Tamara a while back. Slimy whataboutism has a pretty foul aftertaste."Decent people" Really now? After all trump did this year? Fueling further hate attacks, separating parents from their children? You can't see somebody supporting Trump when that's pretty well known knowledge and still claim "decent people". You don't get it, sometimes the only way people learn are through consequences, the feeling that nobody is supporting you, that everybody is against you or telling you your wrong. If they suffer no consequences or people telling them they're wrong, what motivation do they have to change? They'll just keep spreading their bigotry, that's why the idea of being nice to them is garbage, that doesn't get them motivation to change, just will make them think they did nothing wrong
THIS IS HUGE. as a black trans man, toxic masculinity in the black community is rampant. and i understand what might have caused that culturally, but still its so bad from inside the black community itself. that definitely does play a huuuge part in ityou'll find for example that black women are nearly monolithic in their support for progressive causes, but black men are often more like 80-20.
You know, when you're quoting someone or reading what someone has posted, basic decency dictates that you read every word in a sentence, and every sentence in a paragraph, and every paragraph in the whole text. Obviously, you didn't, else you wouldn't have reacted like this to what I posted, because I never said that they are decent people, I said that they think that they are decent people. Which is different, in case you cannot tell.
You apparently did not read nor see the words right before the 'decent people' bit that reads 'FROM THEIR POINT OF VIEW'. Which means that I was saying that this is how Trump supporters perceive themselves, how they think of themselves, how they view themselves, what they believe they are, no matter whether that is true or not.from their point of view, they are decent people
You're mocking it as triggers are terms used to refer to people who go through PTSD, it's a term that has had its meaning flipped by people who don't listen into meaning something along the lines of angry and actively hurts people who have actual triggersI'm confused by your comment. How am I mocking mental illness?