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the one-question FLO political ideology survey

how do you identify yourself politically?

  • Anarchist

    Votes: 23 8.8%
  • Anarcho-communist or anarcho-syndicalist

    Votes: 44 16.9%
  • Trotskyist

    Votes: 1 0.4%
  • Marxist-Leninist, Maoist, or Marxist-Leninist-Maoist

    Votes: 8 3.1%
  • Left-libertarian, but not anarchist

    Votes: 6 2.3%
  • Democratic socialist

    Votes: 42 16.1%
  • Social democrat

    Votes: 17 6.5%
  • General leftist, but no specific ideology

    Votes: 77 29.5%
  • Left-liberal (American-style "progressives", etc.)

    Votes: 9 3.4%
  • Centrist or syncretic

    Votes: 8 3.1%
  • Christian democrat

    Votes: 1 0.4%
  • Conservative

    Votes: 3 1.1%
  • Right-libertarian, but not anarchist

    Votes: 6 2.3%
  • Monarchist (*actual* Monarchism)

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Minarchist or anarcho-capitalist

    Votes: 1 0.4%
  • Alt-right, far-right, "identitarian", fascist, etc.

    Votes: 2 0.8%
  • Other (specify below, i guess?)

    Votes: 13 5.0%

  • Total voters
    261

alyazabirze

Member
now that the discussions of whether or not to blanket ban conservatives from the website have mostly abetted, i'm very curious where the bulk of the people who actually use the forums actively fall. as it happens you can add a buttload of poll choices* on here, meaning i also don't have to use strawpoll or some other dumb external site to seriously ask this question

please feel free to also expound on your political leanings/how you came to the political positions that you did in this thread

* the limit is 20 options, for the record

 

FaustKatt

Member
I tend to have sympathies for all sorts of ideas but I don't really form a political identity because I have no idea what will actually work when it comes to governing humans and not slowly declining into authoritarianism or otherwise collapsing.

 
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Jeepers I'm don't even know. I'm one of them back water hick types so I never did get like... exactly how all these terms are defined and stuff but I really hate fascists and capitalism. In general I don't like authority and sometimes even feel the concept of democracy oversteps its boundaries and is used to commit atrocities through disinformation campaigns.

I guess anarcho-syndicalist comes close though I will say I can't stand class reductionism. Abolishing wage slavery is merely part of a larger necessary reconstruction of our society needed for people to be able to live better more fulfilling lives. If living comfortably magically made racism and transphobia go away then shitbrains like JK Rowling wouldn't be a thing. People WILL make other people's lives hell in ways wealth redistribution won't resolve and we need to address that ALONGSIDE rather than after dealing with wage slavery.

So there's by big ol' political ramble.

 

Ralph2449

Member
Hard to relate with all those terms since I usually try to focus more on behavior, and when it is quite obvious that right wing beliefs are almost always based on emotion and some very primal animal like nature it becomes quite clear they are not a valid ideology, with right wing beliefs depending on people's insecurity, feeding into people's ignorance, trying to always simplify everything and jump to false feel good conclusions and simply "only 1 right way of doing things", obsessions with "strength" and "hierarchy" and approval of others, and with most of their campaigns being literally marketing than actual points or policies, and marketing with many lies and emotional slogans it says a lot about the human species when a huge percentage of the population still fall for that.

Left wing is often the only one that actually seems to have valid points and cares about fixing problems, though actual left wing and less "We talk about progressive stuff but we defend a broken status quo".

At the end of the day, right wing and many other things depend on a very primal human drive to get support rather than logic and because of that they are the definition of lack of self awareness, the same reason why toxic religions spread now and in the past, so in my eyes unless people start being more self aware, understand their own nature and actually focus on teaching that in order for everyone to be more immune to such attempts of manipulation there's little progress to be had since there will always be someone pandering to such unhealthy drives for their benefit and to a degree it is hard to blame them, seeing a glaring weakness and not abusing it is hard, I mean we live in a world where manipulative product marketing is totally normal and legal...

So yeah I see that to be the main source of problems, you can try fix all the other surface issues which are still important, but unless that very natural animalistic part of humanity is fixed, more problems will always arise in some form of another which is why I cannot find any system that could survive the passage of time and remain true to itself with how humans are now, time has always lead to the collapse of all systems because no matter how great, the root of many issues is never addressed, and unless someone is immortal sooner or later many things are lost through time since you cant transfer some beliefs, ideologies and understanding through history classes, some things clearly need to be lived through to be fully understood from all aspects.

 
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Manibrandr Soundworks

Emerald Subscriber
I picked Anarcho-Communism because I feel like this is the ideology that creates the least harm. People being much closer to each other, and less systemic friction against helping each other, as well as unconditional access to things needed for comfortable living is a must for me, and with no vertical social hierarchy imposed. Though there is an asterisk with my pick, because I am dialectical and protean about my ideology, I don't believe in sacred communism, I believe in practical ancom action that gets results, and any dialogue that criticizes the ideology in a way that makes it better.

I think even leftists fall too easily into the trap of playing into the word games of fascists where they criticize the figures who are seen as the progenitor of leftist ideologies. And it needs to be said that who Marx was has no bearing on the merit of his writings, because parts of his work had been developed on and put into practice with good results. Don't get caught up in defending Marx to fascists, you're just wasting your time.

 

neonbuck

New Member
I'm ancommie; I don't trust any power structures at all and I think it makes the most sense for our survival as a social animal; if we all cooperated with one another, y'know?

 

Zythyx

Staff Catter
Staff Team
I consider myself a ‘redneck socialist,’ its a term i basically made up but basically i think a huge focus leftists in general need to hone in on is rural and small town populations and reaching out to us in those places without looking down on us. too many folks absolutely ignore those of us in those areas bc they have the outdated view that everyone there is racist and bad and just deserves to be eliminated, which is wrong. also a bit of eco-socialism in there as rural folk are probably good at sustainable and more ethical animal agriculture 

 

2bruza

Member
i also do not know politics, but i believe in free housing, free food, free healthcare, free water, ect. i also believe we should literally kill extreme facists and the extreme rich like bezos and redistribute his wealth. idk what that falls under. i know thats extreme but i literally dont care or have empathy for people like them. millions of people die because of their unwillingness to help, so they should die instead. marie antoinette

 
I am what can best be described in Canadian politics as a Red Tory - fiscally conservative, socially liberal, and really big on the ideas of communitarianism and noblesse obligée (those that have the means to look after the less fortunate have a moral obligation to do so). This in itself is an oversimplification however since I tend to engage in synchretism - adopting what I think are the best aspects of various ideologies across the spectrum even if I ultimately reject the ideology on precedence and principle.

 
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alyazabirze

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iiii honestly have no idea what most of these mean if im being honest. the chatagorization really confuses me. i just think everyone should have acses to basic needs without having to claw tooth and nail for them.
that narrows it down a lot:

if you don't think capitalism can accomplish that, i think it'd be reasonable to say you fall under the "generally leftist but no specific ideology" option. if you do think capitalism can accomplish that you're probably a progressive-type or a social democrat.

I don't know politics, which one is 'sad, poor, and gay'
honestly pretty much everything left of social democrat is just one big exercise in being really depressed because you realize how shit a lot of the world has it, how poor everyone is relative to a handful of top-income owners, and how everyone could--but probably won't in our lifetimes--have it significantly better if we really wanted to make that happen

 

Noben

New Member
Other.  Mainly because I find it easier say what I'm not, rather than state what I am. Nor do I possess the eloquence to say much of anything without getting hatefulness aimed at me.

 
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Nyeogmi

Member
Other.  Mainly because I find it easier say what I'm not, rather than state what I am. Nor do I possess the eloquence to say much of anything without getting hatefulness aimed at me.
no offense, but most of your posts seem to be about how you think if people knew your political views, they would say horrible nasty things to you! i basically haven't seen you outside of the political threads where this is most likely to happen. 

probably you're not horrible or anything, but it kinda seems like you're walking around with a Kick Me sign, hoping someone will take you up on it!

 

Nyeogmi

Member
(btw i neglected to answer the question! i am highly highly highly sympathetic to the concerns of anarchists -- but i don't know enough theory to seriously answer the objections to anarchism, so i'm gonna mark as a general leftist until I'm more politically literate)